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Ultram Addiction

by ldjohn, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
I too am addicted to Ultram.  I quit 2 times and have been seeing a therapist.  I had abused prescription painkillers than I had a baby and I knew I was done with these addictions.  However, I had a headache one night and my father had ultram for his arthritis, he said they are new (1996) and they were not a narcotic.  That was it... here I am 7 years later still fighting this demon.



Now I have 3 children under 7 years old, a full time job and my husband is out of work.  It is so difficult to even think about quitting but every so often I start to get sick of the monkey on my back.  People have said it gives you a feeling of well-being and energy, she is right.  My self-esteem has been compromised and I can't help but hate myself for what I am doing.  The energy part is the worst.  Trying to keep up with the day to day husle/busle of everyday working and kids at 43 years old is too much sometimes and the ultram helps keep me afloat.



I thought of weaning off, that didn't work, I quit altogether until my dad gave me ultram again.  My question is how about acupuncture?  I don't have 3 days to chill out and withdrawal from this medicine.  My kids 2 3year twins are constantly in need of my attention.  

Without the kids, I could do it for sure, I have in the past.



I am really finding this harder and harder to quit and my tolerance has forced me to take more (30 a day) pretty bad...



Please let me know what you think about the acupuncture and how I would go about doing it.  I called a place that will charge $40 a visit.                        Thanks for help. Ldjohn
Member Comments (57)

by grappler, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Idjohn
Hey I saw your post about the Ultram I wish you well on your endeavor to quit if you need help as you're going through this feel free to post. I will try to help as will everyone else I am not going to post my story all over again but you can read below but in a nut shell I am a world class wrestler/fighter who was in an accident and got hooked on these terrible drugs and now I will help anyone who needs it.  Don't lose your perseverence you can get through this it'll be hard but you can do it.  Also I don't know if you saw "The Smashing Machine" on HBO that's me all the way I can relate to that 110%.  Well keep me/us on your progress.  Good Luck



Grappler

by pharmdee, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
30 ULTRAM A DAY IS A SERIOS HEALTH HAZARD..THIS IS A VERY TOXIC DOSE..YOU BY NO MEANS SHOULD ACCEPT ANY EXCUSES NOT TO GO INTO TREATMENT AND,OR..SEE AN ADDICTION SPECIALIST.I AM A 5TH YEAR PHARMACY STUDENT AND I THINK THE DEA NEEDS TO MAKE ULTRAM(TRAMODOL)A SCHEDULE DRUG...PLEASE SEEK HELP...THIS IS YOUR LIFE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT..WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY DRUG..AND YOUR FAMILY NEEDS YOU TO BE AROUND.

I HOPE YOU SEEK HELP AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU..

by pharmdee, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERE ARE NEW DRUGS USED FOR TREATING OPIOID ADDICTION..TO HELP THE WITHDRAWL SYMPTOMS..ONE IS CALLED SUBOXONE..CHECK IT OUT AND PLEASE SEE AN ADDICTION SPECIALIST.

by dancinginthedark, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: ldjohn
Wow, quite a post.  I imagine you are under enormous stress with 3 young children & your hubby out of work.  However, pharmdee succintly said what I didn't know how to say earlier when I read your post.



30 a day is a serious problem but NOT insurmountable.  There are enough ppl on this board who have prevailed over same & could   give your usage a serious run for its money.  But make no mistake about it:  Getting off ultram is going to be tough & to not have 3 days to go thru withdrawal is greatly under-estimating the inherent difficulty in getting off this drug.  The fact is, 3 days would hardly touch the withdrawals you are going to experience.



But do it you can.  You need determination, a game plan, an understanding of what addiction is all about, to know what to expect while withdrawing, family support & the support of other addicts.



I have never been a group gal.  But once I looked the monster in the eye & saw it was me, I came to this board & it has helped me tremendously & I'm now almost 6 wks. clean of beaucoup doses of codeine.  



I'm curious as to what your doc says about your usage, although I'm assuming you must be getting extra from supplementary sources since I can't imagine a doc prescribing 900 tabs a mo.  If you're shopping around, you're in good company on this board.



You'll likely get a lot more useful advice later from others on this board but I wanted to welcome you, tell you you CAN do it but urge you to do it right.  You've taken the first step by coming here.  It's a series of steps, for all of us, even those long clean.  



We're all pulling for you & post as often as you need



Dancing in the Dark

by minime, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: ldjohn
I know it SEEMS like you can't take the days off that you need to detox, but if I can do it, anyone can.  Your husband and the rest of your family and friends will just have to pick up the slack.  You really need to tell the people that you care about what is going on, and I think you'll be surprised at the support you receive.  I'm sure your father wouldn't have given you any pills if he knew what was going on right?



If you feel that you really cannot detox right now or if you do detox and fall off the wagon, Suboxone might be an alternative.  It can be used as a maintenance drug, and it has saved my life.  I've been on it a couple months, and I can't tell you the difference it has made.  Plus, it doesn't come with the ball and chain that being on Methadone maintenance does.



You do have to be careful though, because the addict in you will tell you you need more pills.  I have to use a lot of willpower to take as prescribed, even though if I were to take more it wouldn't do anything for me.  You should start looking for an addiction specialist in your area, and ask him/her about Suboxone if it sounds like something that interests you.



We can do many things we don't think we can.  I cannot say it enough - tell your family and friends about this.  Let them support you.  You will need that. Good luck.

by motox4fun01, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Thomas/Everyone
I don't know if you guys remember who I am so let me refresh your memories a bit:

I was here about 6 months ago at the begining of my first withdrawl from opiates. At that time I was coming off a habit, which had progressed over the course of about 18 months.

My abuse began after a motorcycle accident which left me with a broken foot and a later wreck, which dealt me an almost complete tear of my left ACL. I was 29 at the time of my accidents and on March 7th I will turn 32. The first withdrawl was BAD! So bad that I said I would never go back to using again. I was a Registered Nurse and had come very close to getting caught nabbing drugs on a few occasions. Well, needless to say I ate those words. I was clean for almost 2 months. I remember thinking how dumb I was for risking my CAREER and in the process throwing away my life. I was so happy to be free from the evils of opiate addiction.

Here I am 4 days from my 32nd birthday and on my 4th day of a cold turkey withdrawl. The difference this time is that I got CAUGHT! I was caught taking IV Demerol from a hospital. I thought I was too slick to get caught, but I DID.

The State Board of Nursing gave me the opportunity to seek treatment and keep my license, but the hoops I was going to have to jump thru for the next 3 years seemed overwhelming and when I got the packet from the board 2 weeks ago, I just put it away and missed the deadline to enter treatment. Basically, I threw everything away. I rationalize this behavior by keeping in my mind that I never wanted to be a nurse anyway, which is true. I just sometimes wonder if I am taking the easy road out.

The withdrawl is much different this time. Yesterday was the worst with aches and pains in my legs and lower back. It seems so much worse this time. I hope day 5 will be the begining of the end for my LAST withdrawl. I guess I had to lose everything in order to see the light. My relationships with everyone around me have all but disappeared. I see myself as difficult to get along with and almost completely self centered. THIS IS NOT WHO I AM.

I guess I am just typing to get things off my chest and to say that this is a hell of alot of pain to go thru for a damn DRUG!

Thanks for listening,

          James

by Bodymechanic, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: IDJohn
I can't provide you with anything that is solidly scientific but I have know quite a few people who have tried acupunture for addiction.  The results have been mixed.  Some thought it was very helpful, other thought it was useless.  Unforutunately, it did nothing for me. You might want to try what minime has suggested and look for suboxone.  If you live in Europe, it is available with any doctor.  In the USA only licence doctors can prescribe it and usually only after jumping through some hoops.  I started on ultram over a year ago which triggered the whole addiction cycle again until I ended up on buprenorphine(suboxone)

by Thomas03, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: idjohn, minime
Those more learned than I have said that suboxone is only available as a 5-day detox and subutex isn't even on the horizon despite being approved by the DEA. I'm surprised that the DEA could find time to police buprenorphine, considering how busy they are busting cancer doctors and chronic pain patients. Those agents have to get up pretty early in the morning to make sure all those tiresome terminal patients die in agony the way they should. What do you say, guys, how 'bout us taking up a collection for all those under-paid, over-worked DEA agents? After all, what would we do without them? (Better not answer that.)



Idjohn, pharmdee is right: 30 Ultram a day is a toxic dose by anyone's standards (even mine). You may think you're too busy to take time off for detox. After you've seizured from an Ultram OD you'll undoubtedly find the time. Better to find that time now. A mom in the middle of a drug-enduced seizure isn't much use to her kids, especially if she's behind the wheel at the time. At the dose you're on, this can happen without warning. Imagine the consequences ...



Thomas



P.S. Hi Spanky!

by mrmichael67, Mar 03, 2003 12:00AM
In Europe, he could probably get straight Subutex.  I do know other countries do use Subutex.  Our FDA would only approve it if it had naloxone in it.  The Subutex is only for a few days, if it ever gets a release date.  I wouldn't be surprised if it never gets released.  They probably figure if patients can get along with Suboxone, then why even put Subutex out there?  I would say a move to schedule IV would be in order, if that were to happen.

by theGolden1, Mar 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Idjohn
I understand how you feel about "energy" loss. I have heard from quite a few people about ultram and they all say they can't "function" without it. In fact, that was the main reason I decided to do an extremely slow taper. I WILL get off of this devil drug ... but with minor symptoms. I guess the thing that turned me off was the realization that I was turning into a mechanical woman. I am missing out on my own life. I didn't have the sensitivity and feelings that I normally have. I was planning to switch to vicodin (to step down from ultram) until I came here and started reading. Now I have a healthy fear of perscription drugs. It can happen to anyone. As far as what to do ... I think "Dancing in the Dark" said it all. If you are 43 you may have some hormonal changes happening. If you get the right medication, you won't have to take so much. Also ... listen to Thomas about the seizures. It's true. This is a dangerous drug. You are smart to reach out and make friends here. I know you can recover. Just take it slow ... one day at a time, first things first ... easy does it ...keep it simple ... ***@****

by afriend, Mar 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Ldjohn
Everyone here has great advice for you. Take in all you can. Suboxone has been recomended by many here and I also think it is good advice, tho from what I hear, it's pretty spendy if you don't have insurance, or your insurance doesn't cover it. Keep posting and let the people here support you. It will help you thru the tough times! With your heavy dosages tho, DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL, Ultram impairs your abilty to breathe and alcohol intensifies this effect! T