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Strings of Palps following Aggressive Exercise Without Cool down
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Strings of Palps following Aggressive Exercise Without Cool down

by Andrew, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
Good morning. I'm a 34 year old male and I've had palpitations (PACs - singles and strings) for more than ten years and have made great strides in learning to deal with them - tough as that can be.  I've had multiple stress tests, color echos, holter monitors, event monitors and even an MRI scan of my heart.  All normal structurally though PACs have been evident.  I exercise 4-5 days each week - cardio and weights. Two bits to my question if you don't mind. 1.) After an aggressive workout (HR 150 for 40 minutes) if I don't cool down properly I will have intense strings of palps (no dizziness or breathing problems) for about twenty minutes straight. They begin to diminish after an hour. 2.) Similarily, if I really push a workout, my pulse will recover more than 20 bpm in the first minute after stopping, but my pulse sometimes stays elevated 100+ bpm for a couple of hours afterward.  In light of my testing - most recent echo 6 mos. ago - are these significant?  I do notice that as I age the strings of multiple palps are more frequent.  Any light you could shed on this would be appreciated.  Thanks. A.

by CCF-M.D.-CRC, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
Dear archie,

What we have learned in the last few years is that most premature atrial contractions (PACs) come from the pulmonary veins.  The foci that cause the PACs are sensitive to adrenaline and increase with exercise and high adrenaline states.  A heart rate recovery of 20 beats in the first minute is very good and it is normal for the heartrate to remain slightly elevated for a few hours afterwards.  Be sure to drink plently of fluids and replace electrolytes after working out.  In regard to the frequent PACs you may be a good candidate for an ablation procedure and you may wish to discuss this option with your doctor.
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by arthur, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
I am 54 and play competitive soccer.  About two+ years ago, for reasons unknown, I developed PACs/PVCs and an exercise-initiated PAF.  This was cured by ablation, leaving me only with PACs which occur anywhere from 0-6 per minute depending on the phase of the moon.  I work out several times a week, very intense for 40+ minutes.  During the workouts, PACs are in evidence occasionally, however, right after workouts, for periods of 10-30 minutes, I appear to be susceptible to PAC attacks (>6 per min).  My guess is that the adrenaline left over from the workouts is sufficient to stir up the foci responsible for the PACs.  It may also be that the nervous system (sympathetic, parasympathetic and autonomic) plays a significant role in combination with raised adrenaline levels to kick up the PACs.  It is a complicated matter, and might best be studied under the watchful eye of an EP/cardio during a stress test.



For what it's worth, I have also noted a drop off in these attacks lately...I have been careful to add a 5-10 minute walk to the end of these intense workouts and it seems that this procedure avoids the PAC attacks.

by jan, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
To: Everyone- ever lose your voice
I know the dr. won't answer, but I wanted to post this to the ppl anyway. Too bad we can't post to one another somehow, in addition.

Anyway, during my 2nd TTT it was evident that something was going on although I wasn't told what it was. Twice when they asked if I was ok, I could only mouth the words, no voice was there. The tech read my lips and I never clued her in that I was trying to speak.

This happen'd again last night while travel'g with my husband. I was singing and got this funny sensation and then lost my voice, just for a few words. It happen'd twice in just about a minute's time.

Has anyone else ever experienced this? If so, do you know what caused it?

Thanks.

by arthur, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
To: TTT?
To those of us who are acronym-challenged...what is TTT?

by jan, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
Sorry, it's Tilt Table Test.

by wilson-wilson, Dec 10, 2001 12:00AM
To: Everyone - How about this Reflux Test?
I Found this on a Newspaper's website and I thought it may be interesting to those of us who think it could be GERD producing PACs/PVCs.



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Doctor testing for reflux



People who might have gastric reflux no longer have to leave Lawrence County to determine the cause of chest pain.



Dr. Ramesh Kalari, a gastroenterologist, started about a month ago using a test to determine the cause of chest pain after heart problems are ruled out.



Kalari, who performs the procedure at Dunn Memorial Hospital, has been placing about two patients a week on a monitor that measures stomach acids and movement of the esophagus for a 24-hour period.



Kalari installs a catheter tube in the patient’s nose, which runs down through the throat and into the stomach. Two sensors between the stomach and the esophagus are connected to the monitor. Installing the equipment takes about an hour.



After the procedure is completed, the patient leaves the hospital and returns to normal activity. The patient is required to maintain a journal of when and what he eats, when he sleeps and when symptoms occur.



“The test shows exactly what to do,” Kalari said. “It helps to diagnose patients and optimize treatment.”



The next day, the patient returns to the hospital to remove the equipment. Information from the monitor and the patient’s journal are entered into a computer software program.



If the source of the patient’s chest pains is gastric reflux, the problem is likely a loose valve in the lower esophagus. Surgery can tighten the valve to keep the acid in the stomach and halt heartburn.



“This is not for everyone,” Kalari said. “Only patients who aren’t doing well on medicines should be considered for it.”



Neglecting chest pains caused by gastric reflux might induce narrowing of the esophagus or even cancer, Kalari said.



Several types of foods can cause gastric reflux and include chocolate, caffeine, high fatty foods and peppermint.



by alexawesome1, Dec 11, 2001 12:00AM
To: Archie
Hey Archie, I was reading your post and wanted to ask you a few questions if you don't mind (all comments welcome). Did you're palps get progressively worse from the time they first started or have the remained the same?  I also exercise 3-4 times per week with weights and cardio (27, 5' 11", 190LBS Male).  I find that my heart rate increases easily from resting 46-52 to around 80-90 from walking. It's hard for me to jog because of my weight and large frame so I'll speed walk at a pace of 6.3KM/H for 25 minutes for cardio or cycle or kick-boxing/punching bag.  After maintaing a HR or 135-140 for 25 minutes, it will stay after cool down at around 80 for an 1-2 hours before it goes back down to around 50 (hope that answers your question). I'll get a skip occasionly 1-2 per month after a workout, and if I push my HR close to max I'll get a skip as well during the workout.  I just hope that with age they don't increase. I too have learned to deal with them even though it sucks! I always cool down at least 5 minutes after cardio or until an HR of 80-90 before I stop.  email to: alex_dolgonos***@****

by Sam R, Dec 11, 2001 12:00AM
I think there is a correlation between exercise & PAC's but I haven't figured it out yet.   As a runner, I find the PAC's disappear entirely for several hours after a run. The longer & more intense the run the longer the PAC's stay away.  Has anyone had a similiar experience or have any ideas on the relationship between PAC's  & exercise?

by Niecey, Dec 12, 2001 12:00AM
I was wondering, have you ever had your heart skip so bad that it sometimes feel as if it has stopped briefly?

by arthur, Dec 12, 2001 12:00AM
To: running and skips
I workout intensively every other day, 1 hr of jogs and sprints. I also have PACs.  These go away after the workout and stay away for 3-6 hours, even though the HR is down to normal (40-50) within an hour or two.  In my case I know the PACs are generated by a partially concealed PV focus (probably not unusual).  These foci are located near the vagal and other nerve bundles.  The process of inducing skips due to the focus is complicated and can depend on the activity of the focus, the vagal tone, and other factors like blood