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Dealing with meds

by Mjthewritermom, Nov 29, 2008 05:12PM
What are some of the ways you (any one who would like to answer this question) deal with giving meds to your loved one when they don't want to take them?
Member Comments (6)

by ILADVOCATE, Nov 29, 2008 06:32PM
To: all
Well its difficult as someone who before recovery did not understand why they needed their medication at times. I know the means that people use and mixing medication in someone's food is not a good idea because they will tell you they didn't take medication and they are fine. I never had that happen to me but other people did. There are exceptions such as a cousin of mine with Rett's Syndrome whom her medication (anti-convulsants) in being available in powdered format (Depakoate I believe) is mixed with the food because she cannot understand much of what goes on in the world because she has a severe developmental disability. A person with a psychiatric disability can be required to take medication if they are "dangerous to themselves or others" and some states have outpatient committment laws where if it is proven that if a person when a person goes off medication they become violent or dangerous it can be given against their will. I know injectable antipsychotics are used at time. But as a consumer I can say that these are means of last resort.
   I'd have to know what disability you are talking about. If the disability is treatment refractory schizophrenia my advice is look for better treatment and I can give specific information. The person should be recovered enough from their medication to understand why they need it. If the disability like my cousin's is a developmental disability that is of a severe nature that would impair cognition that's another issue but with developmental disabilities anti-psychotics cannot treat them but are used for "behavioral management" something I disapprove of and some psychiatrists would agree. If a person has a developmental disability and a psychiatric disability as well and needs medication a counselor or social worker can help explain to them why they need it and remind them to take it every day. They do that in supported and supportive housing and supported housing is a good option for a person with a psychiatric disability who cannot live on their own regardless.
   So I can summarize but I'd have to know specifics as to what the disability is and what kind of medication it is. If its psychiatric medication the whole point is for the person to be rational enough to know why they needed medication. I went off medication once in 1993 and I ended up in the psychiatric hospital but my pychiatrist explained why I needed it and the experience itself shook me up enough not to do that again. But I also learned about what it was for, what it treated, what the side effects were, the long term effects and what recovery meant. And as I was learning about treatment I advocated to get on better medications and I ended up calling for a referral for a psychopharmocologist and advocated further when nothing worked to get on the experimental antipsychotic I am on now glycine, which is a glutamate antagonist in Phase II FDA study a new form of antipsychotic that will not cause tardive dyskinesia or diabetes. Which is the only reason I post here in the Parkinsons's Community because my tardive dyskinesia is a full blown Parkinsonian condition that has made me homebound. I wish I had full disclosure about the severity of it before.
  So to answer your question in how I always put it I believe in "partnering on recovery", "compliance" as a reason leads to "defiance". Educate the person on exactly why they need the medication and how it helps them.

by Mjthewritermom, Nov 29, 2008 06:48PM
The medication is for someone with Parkinson's.  She doesn't want to take them.  She has some dementia.  I have been up front and she still refused.  We mark it as a "refusal".  I just wish there was a better way to handle it.  Some of the CNA's try to mix with food like applesauce.  

Thanks for ideas, etc.

by ILADVOCATE, Nov 29, 2008 08:03PM
To: Mjthewritermom
Yes its complex. What kind of medication is it? If its an anti-Parkinsonian medication then they would need it physically. If its an antipsychotic, then its their choice and antipsychotics that are currently available can worsen Parkinsons's but Zofran (such as I am taking) is being used for Parkinsons' and psychosis from Parkinson's and will not worsen Parkinson's primary symptoms (look it up on wikipedia and then go to the studies it links to). As for dementia my grandfather benefits much from Namenda and he has memory loss from a stroke but its used for all forms of age related dementia.
It would be good to know what medication it is. And what kind of place you are working at? If its a hospital then my guess is there are difficulties with the person not understanding their medication and its well run but some nursing homes use anti-psychotics like Haldol in elderly people to "calm them down" and that's not an appropriate usage and many psychiatrists would agree with this statement. And I do network with and sometimes attend a Parkinson's support group so I know about this disability. And some of the medications I mentioned might help if they haven't been tried depending on what's going on.

by Mjthewritermom, Dec 01, 2008 07:47PM
To: ILAVOCATE
I cannot mention more as I am respecting the HIPPA regulations.  I posted to get some ideas of how to approach individuals with Parkinsons, dementia, and other problems such as arthritis to take meds that are needed to keep them functioning and help with pain, etc.

I was struggling with whether I would mix it in with applesauce/pudding and not tell the person it was med time.  My understanding of it when I went through training is in regards to patient rights (bill of rights).  However when individuals have alzheimers/dementia.....they are not thinking clearly.  I try to be compassionate and gentle each day I work and to do an excellent job in how I care for each resident.  

Sincerely,
:-)

by ILADVOCATE, Dec 01, 2008 10:06PM
To: MJthewritermom
Yes understandable. I know those regulations and that's why as an advocate if I worked in the past or volunteered now with anyone and they signed those forms I couldn't disclose information either. I well understand the Patient's Bill of Rights and as you stated you are required to follow it. So you can can't change procedure for different medications. But I would say ideally that if someone needed a medication such as an anti-Parkinsonian medication (Levo-Dopa,Carbo-Dopa) and they wouldn't take it, it could be dangerous for them and in that case mixing it with applesauce or the like would be fine and perfectly neccessary. I don't see any ethical quandaries whatsoever. The same would be true of any physical medication they needed. I know because my friend had a grandmother with Parkinson's and had to take care of her.
  Just understand that increasingly even psychiatrists are concerned with the use of antipsychotics in the elderly because of the severe side effects. You don't have to discuss it further. But you could look it up. And thankfully from what you describe you don't work in a place that misuses them for behavior management which can be abusive in some nursing homes. But if you ever saw this anywhere you could speak to someone from an outside agency about it.
  But regardless, its good to know what are the increasing availability of treatment options and Zofran for psychosis from Parkinsons' is one and Namenda for dementia from Alzheimer's or any condition is becoming a standard. And as treatments improve and more importantly as people's standards changed so did the idea of living in the community. So for some people who are in hospitals they are there because of the severity of their disability. But for many people in nursing homes, some younger people with physical disabilities, living in the community with a home attendant is a possibility. Look up the "Community Choice Act" which will be passed next year which will allow more people to move into the community with Medicaid funding. And I'm sure you work with the people well and are kind and there's certainly no need to detail further especially because of those regulations. But this information I gave you is all worth understanding if it ever would apply.

by Mjthewritermom, Dec 02, 2008 04:35AM
To: ILAVOCATE
Thank you for the information.  It is certainly appreciated!!!

:-)
I am off to work within 1/2 hr.  I am the early bird (up at 4 a.m.)

Have a great day (I get to travel through the snow........)

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